Comments on: KRISS Super V Vector SMG in .45 ACP: New Improvements To Be Unveiled At The 2008 SHOT Show http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/ Police Training and Officer Safety Tips Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:45:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Most Interesting Thing at the Glock Exhibit :: Guns Holsters and Gear http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-18705 The Most Interesting Thing at the Glock Exhibit :: Guns Holsters and Gear Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:38:30 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-18705 [...] has sold more than a few of the Sub-2000 carbines (that take Glock magazines…)  Even the KRISS Super V takes Glock 21 magazines and it is an honest-to-goodness [...] [...] has sold more than a few of the Sub-2000 carbines (that take Glock magazines…)  Even the KRISS Super V takes Glock 21 magazines and it is an honest-to-goodness [...]

]]> By: Richard http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-11060 Richard Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:05:55 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-11060 I think the general concept of redirecting the energy is similar to the Jatimatic, but the design seems to be different. If someone has more information, I'd love to get your input. --Richard I think the general concept of redirecting the energy is similar to the Jatimatic, but the design seems to be different. If someone has more information, I’d love to get your input.

–Richard

]]> By: Markku http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-11059 Markku Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:40:25 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-11059 that is a copy of a Finnish submachine gun, in that link http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatimatic that is a copy of a Finnish submachine gun, in that link

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatimatic

]]> By: sean http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-10642 sean Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:51:49 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-10642 Had a chance to fire the civilian version at local range. I was somewhat impessed by it's weight and ergonomics. It was fun to shoot but I found the trigger a little heavy and the factory set sights were set to low (had to aim at head to get center mass) I had to adjust them. Have to say I was the first to test fire NOB and it needed a little oil to keep the bolt moving. A little tinkering and lube and this gun is good to go with quick interchange between mags. The ugly 16" barrel has to go. Wish they had the full auto version to fire to compare with the other full autos they had MP5.40 and Uzzi .45 AR15/16 full auto 9mm for range purposes only of course. Had a chance to fire the civilian version at local range. I was somewhat impessed by it’s weight and ergonomics. It was fun to shoot but I found the trigger a little heavy and the factory set sights were set to low (had to aim at head to get center mass) I had to adjust them. Have to say I was the first to test fire NOB and it needed a little oil to keep the bolt moving. A little tinkering and lube and this gun is good to go with quick interchange between mags. The ugly 16″ barrel has to go. Wish they had the full auto version to fire to compare with the other full autos they had MP5.40 and Uzzi .45 AR15/16 full auto 9mm for range purposes only of course.

]]> By: lane crawley http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-3786 lane crawley Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:07:48 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-3786 Jesse, Your right about the m-1 carbine being out dated and not the best choice of rifle. Im a 24 yr swat cop and Ill tell you that there is no handgun caliber(reasonable handgun caliber) that will perform as well as the 30 carbine cartridge. This is why the Israeli police still use the 30 cal cartridge. Somebody needs to build a new rifle for the 30 cal carbine cartridge. As far as the Le Mas BMT aplp round, why down load the 45cal round to a small 85gr bullet when you can go w/ a 100-110gr bullet that will do a better job w/out all of the changes. When your talking about an unarmored target, the 30carbine round has the ballistics of a 44mag round at CQB ranges w/out the recoil. Corbon DPX 30 cal ammo 100gr bullett travels at 2100fps w/ 1280 ft/lbs of energy. Ill take it over the 45cal any day. Jesse, Your right about the m-1 carbine being out dated and not the best choice of rifle. Im a 24 yr swat cop and Ill tell you that there is no handgun caliber(reasonable handgun caliber) that will perform as well as the 30 carbine cartridge. This is why the Israeli police still use the 30 cal cartridge. Somebody needs to build a new rifle for the 30 cal carbine cartridge. As far as the Le Mas BMT aplp round, why down load the 45cal round to a small 85gr bullet when you can go w/ a 100-110gr bullet that will do a better job w/out all of the changes.
When your talking about an unarmored target, the 30carbine round has the ballistics of a 44mag round at CQB ranges w/out the recoil. Corbon DPX 30 cal ammo 100gr bullett travels at 2100fps w/ 1280 ft/lbs of energy. Ill take it over the 45cal any day.

]]> By: Jesse Pageant http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2350 Jesse Pageant Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:30:40 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2350 Apparently Lane is unfamiliar with the Le Mas BMT APLP 85gr .45 CQB round. Proven to penetrate NIJ Level IIIA body armor. .30 carbine...are you serious?? What happens when it's an unarmored target? Speak to anyone that carried the M1A Carbine and they'd tell you it was a better tent stake than a weapon Apparently Lane is unfamiliar with the Le Mas BMT APLP 85gr .45 CQB round. Proven to penetrate NIJ Level IIIA body armor. .30 carbine…are you serious?? What happens when it’s an unarmored target? Speak to anyone that carried the M1A Carbine and they’d tell you it was a better tent stake than a weapon

]]> By: lane crawley http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2314 lane crawley Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:27:08 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2314 The 45 round is no good for penetrating body armor. This is supposed to be a law enforcement weapon. A round that will penetrate body armor like the 30 cal carbine, 7.62x33mm would have been a better choice of ammo. The 45 round is no good for penetrating body armor. This is supposed to be a law enforcement weapon. A round that will penetrate body armor like the 30 cal carbine, 7.62x33mm would have been a better choice of ammo.

]]> By: admin http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2313 admin Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:31:29 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2313 <p>Andrew, </p> <p>Thanks for the message.</p> <p>Of course I have heard of the UMPs. In fact, you will notice in the first paragraph that I mentioned H&K makes a sub-gun in .45 ACP. I have also heard from a number of officers that the UMP does not have the same reliability that the MP-5 has. I'm glad to hear that your department has not had any problems with your three firearms.</p> <p>Regardless, the KRISS is a <em>very different design</em> than the UMP, and it may suit the needs of some agencies. I'm sure you can appreciate innovation in firearm design. Whether it succeeds or fails will be seen, but I certainly appreciate a company breaking the mold and trying something new.</p> <p>--Richard</p> Andrew,

Thanks for the message.

Of course I have heard of the UMPs. In fact, you will notice in the first paragraph that I mentioned H&K makes a sub-gun in .45 ACP. I have also heard from a number of officers that the UMP does not have the same reliability that the MP-5 has. I’m glad to hear that your department has not had any problems with your three firearms.

Regardless, the KRISS is a very different design than the UMP, and it may suit the needs of some agencies. I’m sure you can appreciate innovation in firearm design. Whether it succeeds or fails will be seen, but I certainly appreciate a company breaking the mold and trying something new.

–Richard

]]> By: Andrew Casavant http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2305 Andrew Casavant Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:23:43 +0000 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2008/01/16/kriss-super-v-vector-smg-in-45-acp-new-improvements-to-be-unveiled-at-the-2008-shot-show/#comment-2305 We currently have in our possession and carry 3 UMP-45s that H&K makes and they are a dream to carry and shoot. They have 25 round mags and we've had no issues with them. Have you not heard of them?? We currently have in our possession and carry 3 UMP-45s that H&K makes and they are a dream to carry and shoot. They have 25 round mags and we’ve had no issues with them. Have you not heard of them??

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